Sam Marks: The Power of Compounding Interest - Own Your Future - Flippa
By Benjamin Weiss
OWN YOUR FUTURE – LIVE 2020 took place live (from our homes) on July 9th 2020. The video included here was recorded at that event.
Sam Marks is an entrepreneur and angel investor who has been location-independent and working remotely since 2008. After founding and selling Europe’s largest e-cig brand he began the Invest Like A Boss Podcast and has now visited more than 100 countries while living off passive income and pursuing his bucket list. He continues to work in start-ups (currently Founder and CEO of Coworker.com) and as an investor. His investment portfolio includes 400 self-storage units in Hong Kong, a micro-brewery in Australia, rental condos across Thailand, and several alternative assets and early-stage angel investments.
The power of compounding interest and making your first investment
Sam’s a prolific investor. He’ll break down his approach. Share failures from his own investing journey and walk you through the power of compounding interest to accelerate wealth creation. Oh yeah. He’ll also tell you why he has an exhaustive bucket list.
We got another great speaker. Up next, our next presenter, he is an entrepreneur and an angel investor. He’s been location independent working remotely since back in 2008. At the age of 24 he actually moved from the US to the UK and founded the electronic cigarette company SKYCIG. He bootstrapped that business initially just out of the back of his rental car using a fake British accent, we sort of know him of that as well. Grew the enterprise into Europe’s largest e-cigarette brand over the course of the next four years. And in 2013, SKYCIG was acquired by L’Oreal tobacco for 100 million dollars and rebranded into blu Cig, you guys probably heard that. And after this he follows his new journey into the investment that led him to the start of the invest “Like a boss” podcast. He’s visited more than 100 countries in the last decade while living off of passive income, and pursuing his bucket list which you can find online. He continues to work in startups. He’s currently the founder CEO of coworker.com as an investor. His portfolio includes 400 self storage units in Hong Kong, micro brewery in Australia, rental condos across Thailand, and several alternative assets. An early stage angel investments join me with your silent hands as we welcome Sam Marks to the stage. Sam, thank you for being here. How are you going?
It’s been way too long, Ben. How you doing?
Fantastic, thanks for joining us.
Good, yeah, thank you. Thanks, Blake. I’m glad this is gotta somewhat of an informal approach. I’m in a hotel in Deadwood, South Dakota, and they’re actually doing construction of course in the room right next to me. So they put me down in this isolated meeting room downstairs .
Well, as long as your computer works, and you got WiFi we’re good to go. So I’ll take control.
Sounds good. Noah, that was awesome actually, when some of the profile shots of Noah reminds me of Dwayne Johnson a little bit, and I love that he was living in Thailand. We definitely have some some things in common there. Cool guys, So Ben, Blake, anyone on the panel, I mean feel free to interrupt at any point if you just wanna jump in and keep it informal and ask questions. But what I wanted to dive into is a little bit just in the investing. So for anyone listening, I am not a financial advisor, I’m someone actually that was really fed up with financial advisors, and really just trying to figure out how to do it myself. So I’ll talk a little bit about my portfolio and how that’s evolved over the last five years. Talk a little bit about the power of compounding interest, I’m sure a lot of you guys have heard about that, but actually, when you see it illustrated, it’s pretty powerful. And then for those that are kind of new to investing, we’ll talk a little bit about making your first investment.
And where I want to start is just talking about myself along with my co-host, Johnny. So Johnny and I actually met in Thailand about five years ago. And we’ve taken a different path in life into financial success. So I was always kind of the hyper entrepreneur trying to swing for the fences and hit a home run and do it quick, but Johnny did it the practical way, so john is much more living cheaply overseas. Is taking advantage of location arbitrage, very disciplined investing and savings. And over time, he has developed lots of small income streams that are now accumulating. But he’s done it in a really, really practical approach which I think is really inspiring. So when we met in Thailand in 2000, I wanna say 2015. We were both like, “Hey, I just sold my business,” and as an entrepreneur a lot of you guys out there know your income is anything but reliable or stable, it’s ultra inconsistent.
And after we sold the business, I was like, “Shit, I might not ever make money again.” So I gotta figure out how to live off what I have, and Johnny was in that path where he was, he was making money, saving money, I had no idea how to invest and we’re like, “You know what, maybe the best way to figure this out “is not listen to podcasts and not read books, “but actually talk to the smartest people that have done it before. “And then apply those learnings by applying our own money “and investing our own money to learn by application.” So that’s what we set out to do in 2015, starting “Invest Like a Boss,” and each week after interviewing people, we would inevitably end up making investments in different things dipping our toes in.I gotta figure out how to live off what I have. And maybe the best way to figure this out isn't to listen to podcasts or read books, but to actually talk to the smartest people that have done it before. Click To Tweet
So I wanna talk to you real quick about what the financial dream is, right? And I think a lot of us have heard somewhere along the lines that probably the financial dream is to make enough passive income to be able to support our lifestyle. And that’s great, but if you’re only doing that you’re still actually living paycheck to paycheck in a sense, right? So I think we have to really dial it up a level further where financial dream is not only to be able to create enough passive income to be able to live the lifestyle you want, but also have your money invested in a way that it can appreciate over time, and improve, and increase your net wealth. And that’s cool because then you’re supporting your lifestyle passively, but if something comes up cool, like Elon Musk goes to the moon and we wanna buy that ticket. Well, maybe we have enough extra to do so. So wanted to look a little bit just at where my portfolio was post-exit.
So 2013 we sold a business, I was basically financially illiterate, I had never really made investments before. And what most people do when they come into money, maybe they come into inheritance, or they sell a business, or they get a bonus at work. What do you do with your money? Well, a lot of people don’t know what to do with the money, or they just go knock on the door at a local bank. And in my case, it’s exactly what I did. I went to UBS. I went to Morgan Stanley, I got a bunch of financial jargon, a bunch of manipulated numbers, guys in suits that look really spiffy. I said, “Hey, you know what? “Here, take the keys. “I trust you guys. “You do your thing, all right.”
And what happened? Well, over the course of 2013 to 2016 the stock market went up, it was up about 30% during that time, and I kept looking at my balance every couple months, and my balance was the same. I kept asking questions, without asking questions, and finally, I got fed up with it and I started reading some books. First book I read was by actually Tony Robbins, “MONEY Master the Game,” fantastic book. And then I went back and started asking smarter questions. And I realized that the people that were managing my money weren’t that much smarter than me after reading one book, and because I have given them the keys, and trusted my financial interest to them, well, they actually made a lot of mistakes; they gotten the wrong funds, they bought energy and sold it at the bottom, which is one of the worst mistakes you can make. And over the course of three years instead of my account going up 30% it went, it was flat, and I got fed up and said, “Time to do this ourselves.” So that’s about the time I met Johnny in Thailand, and we decided let’s figure out how to invest money ourselves.I realized that the people managing my money weren't that much smarter than me after reading just one book, and they actually made a lot of mistakes. – Sam Marks Click To Tweet
So I want to fast forward real quick to how my portfolio has changed since 2015 to the basically end of 2019. And what it looks like now is it’s 42 different investments. I’m not saying I’m an advocate of that, and just that’s just where it ended up. It’s a bit stretch for me, and of those 42 investments, 72 to pay out a dividend or interest. I’m averaging about 5.6% yield on that, and 69% of these investments can appreciate value. Now some of them can’t like a bank CD that’s fixed interest, you’re gonna get interest, but your principal can’t go up in value. And then what I think is actually really cool about this portfolio is there’s something that’s called accredited and non accredited investors.
And for those of you that aren’t aware, accredited investor is sort of a qualification that you can get when you reach a certain income level, I believe it’s $250,000 a year, or a net wealth of over a million dollars. And when you’re accredited investor, you have access to different types of investments that non accredited investors don’t have access to. And I think there’s a big misconception that accredited investors have all the pics that they want, they can get any type of investments that unaccredited investors can’t. And while that is true, you’d be surprised how many great investments are out there are available for a non accredited investors. And in my portfolio 32 of the 38 are actually available for non accredited investors. And that means that pretty much anybody whether accredited or non accredited if they wanted to they could replicate this portfolio for the most part. So just a quick analysis of some of the investments that I’m currently in.
My biggest holdings are stocks and bond funds, followed by annuities, these are pretty boring, but think of them as basically a bank CD. So it’s a bank CD, but it just goes through an insurance policy, assurance, insurance company, and it pays out a fixed percent interest something low, like two or 3%. And then followed up by the next biggest holding, which is real estate, a lot of that is commercial real estate, as Ben had mentioned in Hong Kong. There’s also condos in Thailand, and some residential properties in the USA. And then of all types of alternative investments, which are sort of for fun, but of course, some cryptocurrencies in their, precious metals, forex trading, peer to peer lending, mortgage servicing, reads all different types of things that we’ve sort of explored over the last few years. Just that one more thing on why I do things a little bit differently or a little bit more complicated, but the annuities are really for wealth preservation, so they’re creditor protected.
So some of you guys might be familiar with O.J. Simpson, one of the reason O.J. Simpson still has money, even though he’s been getting sued for the last, whatever 20 years is because his monies are in a annuities, and annuities, at least in the state of Florida, and many other states in USA are creditor protected. There are also tax deferred so they grow tax deferred until you decide to take money out of them. And the other thing I have in my portfolio is municipal bonds which I really like because they’re tax free, and of course, hey, we all like tax free stuff, right? The last part of it that I do that I guess a lot of people are would be necessarily more untraditional would be startup investments.
So the reason I do startup investments not because I think that it’s a get rich quick scheme, or because it’s the most productive thing you can do with your investments, but it helps you stay relevant, all right? So when you’re investing in some of these startup companies you of course have to learn about that industry. You have to learn about that company. You hopefully add value to that investment through your knowledge and resources. Also, a lot of these companies are located around the world, some of these are in Barcelona, Singapore, Australia, Thailand. So when I travel to these places I’m actually able to take a taxable write off. And one other reason that I really enjoyed investing in these is ’cause it is actually a lottery ticket in your pocket.
You know if some of these companies will go bust, I’ve had investments that have gone bust, but some of these could go 50, 100, 500, 1,000 X, and that’s kind of exciting every time you go to sleep thinking about that. So all that aside, what would happen if you went to Warren Buffett and said, “Hey Warren, hey, how about some investing advice, right?” Well, Warren would turn around to you and say as he’s done over the course of his life, and just stick 90% of your money in the S&P 500, keep 10% in short term treasuries, get back to work, right? Why get back to work? Because your primary income source is your easiest one to build upon. But why the 10% in US treasuries? Well, it’s not because US treasuries has a way to get rich over time, but it’s an emergency fund.Warren would turn around to you and say as he's done over the course of his life, and just stick 90% of your money in the S&P 500, keep 10% in short term treasuries, get back to work, right? Why get back to work? Because your primary… Click To Tweet
So we just had this massive COVID crisis which we’re getting out of. The Dow Jones went down from almost 29,000 to 18,000. If you took your investments out of the S&P 500 at that time, ah, that’s the fatal mistake that you can’t make that so many people do. So why keep money in treasuries is because it is an emergency fund, so that if you get laid off and you need to come up with cash to survive during this period, pull the money out of treasuries, and you don’t pull it out of your investments. Okay, so that’s Warren Buffett, but what does Albert Einstein have to say, right? Smartest guy ever? Arguably smartest guy ever. Well, Albert Einstein quoted that compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it; he who doesn’t, pays it, credit card debt, stuff like that. That’s extremely powerful that Albert Einstein said that, all right?Albert Einstein quoted that compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it; he who doesn't, pays it. Click To Tweet
So we just had this massive COVID crisis which we’re getting out of. The Dow Jones went down from almost 29,000 to 18,000. If you took your investments out of the S&P 500 at that time, ah, that’s the fatal mistake that you can’t make that so many people do. So why keep money in treasuries is because it is an emergency fund, so that if you get laid off and you need to come up with cash to survive during this period, pull the money out of treasuries, and you don’t pull it out of your investments. Okay, so that’s Warren Buffett, but what does Albert Einstein have to say, right? Smartest guy ever? Arguably smartest guy ever. Well, Albert Einstein quoted that compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it; he who doesn’t, pays it, credit card debt, stuff like that. That’s extremely powerful that Albert Einstein said that, all right?
So I mean, there must be something there if he’s saying that. So let’s start reading a little bit about compounding interest. Most of us are familiar with this term, but it’s worth just repeating how it works. So when you keep money invest in an asset like dividend paying stock, you get paid out on the principle passively, and out of regular frequency. When these earnings are add up to your original principal balance over multiple cycles, the interest starts to compound, not only you’re getting interest on your initial investment, but you’re getting interest on top of the interest.
Over the course of time this creates an exponential snowball effect. Pretty exciting stuff. So I broke down some numbers, and this is really the interesting, right? So if you invest $5,000 into say an S&P 500 fund, we’ll just use that as our investment vehicle. You’re getting 7%, it’s gonna take you 40 years to compounded that to become a million dollars. But if you just go another nine years out to 49 years you’ll get 2 million. So you can really see how the time variable is super important to investing in compound interest. 40 years to make the first million, but just nine years to make next million, but what if you had 75 years, right? We’ll get to that in a second ’cause I know 75 years is long. If you had 75 years at 7%, $5,000 a year, you’re gonna have $12 million. Now, if you could get 9% instead of 7%, that’s $38 million. But what’s the most remarkable about that number is that actually, if you invested $5,000, over 75 years, each year, over 75 years, how much does that add up to? $375,000 that becomes 38 million. And this is why Albert Einstein was so excited about compounding interest, but I know what everyone’s thinking, and it’s what I’m thinking, and it’s exactly why I didn’t start investing earlier.
Well, you know, I don’t have 75 years to invest, and I want money now. And peak spending is between age 44 and 48, that’s when we want money to be spending, and disciplined investing is difficult, so to put this to work you gotta be disciplined, you gotta stick to it, and it’s tough, it’s really tough. So here’s the trick, it’s all about accelerating timetables, no one has 75 years to invest. Yeah, it’s nice maybe to invest for 75 years and leave it as inheritance to our kids. I wish my parents had done that, I wish my grandparents had done that, it didn’t happen, so we wanna do it for ourselves.
So we got to accelerate timetables, right? How do we accelerate timetables? The first thing is you gotta get started early. You can’t put it off for another year or two years, you got to get started right away. This is almost my favorite one, number two location arbitrage. It’s probably one that is most available now than any other time because of remote work. Make one money in one place that you can get a good paycheck or online. You live in a cheap place. Noah was talking about living in Thailand.How do we accelerate timetables? The first thing is you gotta get started early. You can't put it off for another year or two years, you got to get started right away. Click To Tweet
I spent six months a year in Thailand. My co-host for “Invest Like a Boss” is living in Sri Lanka literally off $600 a month. So there’s all these wonderful places in the world that we can not live really cheap while still making a good paycheck from our company or through working online. Also you can maximize employer match 401K’s, this is literally free money. If you’re employed, if you’re working for a company, and your employer offers it take advantage of it, it’s literally free money. If you’re self-employed you can set up in the US, it’s a SEP or a self employed 401k.
If you’re not in the US, your government and most likely will have something that emulates this type of structure. Again, it can amplify your tax free savings. And then of course, 7% is not cool nine percent is better, 10% is better, over the course of 2013 to 2020 the S&P was up 13%. You can get 10% historically in the market, and no one knows what the future holds, but I think the way the world is going we’ll be able to get that, we’ll talk more about that in a second. But the last thing that’s most important, you gotta supercharge your earnings, entrepreneurship, side hustles, real estate investments, and here’s one that most people just don’t think about that much is employee stock options. So a lot of people out there are working for small companies maybe startups, get yourself some stock options. I have lots of friends that have made you know in the range of $50,000 on up to several millions of dollars just through employee stock options. You’re working for a small company if you’re taking a, you know, a pay cut to help that company get along, ask for some stock options.
So this my co-host Johnny and what I really like about Johnny, I have to be honest is he is living, breathing proof that this works. It’s not all mumbo jumbo, the math is there and he’s doing it. So when Johnny and I started the podcast his net wealth was about $200,000, and he started on this where he’s building his online revenue channels. He was living overseas. He was living in Ukraine, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Bali, really, inexpensive places. He was living for less than $1,000. He is now making about $100,000. He’s taken advantage of what is called Foreign Earned Income Tax Exclusion, which in the US means if you make $100,000 or less, and you live outside the US, you don’t have to pay any tax on that. So he’s making 100,000 he’s not paying any tax, and he’s living off $600 a month. So he’s literally saving almost all of his money, and he’s investing it. But here’s a couple other tips; gotta pay yourself first. Simply what this means is when you get a paycheck, pay yourself first put it in savings. Don’t spend that and then try to save what’s left.
So if you get paid $2,000 take 200 and automatically invest that then go spend the rest, make it automatic. If you have to push a button at the end of each month to save and invest money, you’re set yourself up for failure. I’m telling you right now, make it automatic set it up. So it’s automatically pulling from your account each month you don’t have to think about it. And if you’re investing in index funds, and really any other type of investments, you gotta keep the fees close to zero. We recommend Vanguard, all their ETFs and funds carry a management fee of basically less than 10 basis points now, it’s extremely inexpensive. Of course you wanna make this stuff tax free. Again, in the US it’s called a Roth IRA.
In other countries, you have something similar for retirement savings, and again, Foreign Earned Income Tax exclusions away in the US you can get $100,000 of earned income tax for each year. Then a couple other ones is one to reinvest the earnings and the dividends straight back into the investment. Don’t hold that in cash. When the S&P 500 pays you out of dividend each month, have that automatically invest and buy more shares. And then don’t get into inflationary lifestyles. It happens to all of us we make more money, we spend more money, you can avoid that you’re gonna get to your early retirement a lot quicker. And of course, the last ones don’t make that big mistake.
I did this in 2008, I had about $30,000 saved up from hustling in high school, working odd jobs, and golf courses and passing tables and everything else. I was in college, the market dropped, I sold and lost about 40% of my savings, I just didn’t have any intelligence about the market or market cycles, don’t make that mistake. So this is a really easy way to kind of understand how money works for you. So your money doubles at every, at 7%, it will double every 10 years, at 8%, nine years, at 9% it’s gonna double every eight years, at 10% your Money doubles every seven years. Now, this is the funny thing, I spent five years trying to understand all different types of aspects of investing, and creating this crazy complicated investment portfolio of 42 different investments.
But if I just listen to Warren Buffett’s success advice, go into the S&P 500, I would be way, way up. Now, I’m not saying the S&P 500 is the best investment or the only investment you need, but it’s definitely not a bad place to start. And over the course of 2013 to 2020, it’s been up 13% a year, so 13% a year your money doubles in just 5.3 years. So I’m advocating here, we’ve got COVID going on, there’s no better time to be thinking about owning your future. Now I know the webinar at this event that Flippa has been putting on is, the planning for this was pre-COVID, but it’s extremely timely now.
There’s been so many people that have been laid off, people are uncertain about the future, and all these things have been being talked about in this program so far, it’s so true. You gotta take advantage and you got to take control of your future and do that by investing in yourself, and investing for your future. So I’m being a big advocate, if anyone’s not out there investing, think about getting started today. Biggest thing is keep it simple. You wanna understand what you’re investing in. Probably the easiest way to get started is just investing in an index fund.There's been so many people that have been laid off, people are uncertain about the future, and all these things have been being talked about in this program so far, it's so true. You gotta take advantage and you got to take control of… Click To Tweet
So what I recommend getting started with is either VT which is Vanguards Total Stock Market index. It’s the total world, so it’s 8,000 stocks from all around the world. You can also do VTI which is just, it’s a primarily a US based ETF, it’s 3600 stocks from around the US. But keep in mind with that they’re still international stocks; it’s Microsoft, it’s McDonald, it’s Starbucks so they’re very much internationally exposed. So just because you’re going into a US stock index doesn’t mean that you don’t have international exposure.
If you wanna get a little bit tricky and have some fun, and add a couple more funds, you don’t need to, but I would recommend tilting towards small cap stocks with VBR, and by doing so, historically, you’ll get a little bit better performance. Again, we don’t know what the future holds, but historically a tilt towards small cap has proved to be better than just large cap and also tech, I’m a big fan of tech, I think tech will continue to outperform in the years to come, and you can get access to that via VGT which is Vanguards Technology Index. So one good thing with investment philosophy actually, it’s quite interesting and we step back and look at it.
John and I are both very much remote guys, we like being location independent. When we make investments now we really think about, can I do this basically with no responsibility, no management, of course, we want diversification, so your diversification basically Key to taking out the volatility of your investments. And we wanna do things that are location independent, we don’t wanna have to necessarily be in one place to manage investments. And of course, we wanted a mix of growth and income, so we can chase that financial dream of having enough income to live our lifestyle, but have enough growth that over time even though we’re living our lifestyle our net wealth can grow.
And the great thing with an index fund is that it really checks all these boxes. So Johnny was kind enough to allow me to show this, this is his dashboard in Vanguard, you can see it’s just three funds. It’s VBR, which is the small cap index fund, it’s VTI which is a total US stock market, and it’s VX US, which is an international index. He’s been averaging 7.6% since he got started a few years ago. And this is a very simple portfolio three funds, you could do one fund, you could do two funds, but if you’re just getting started you don’t need to do more than three funds. So I’ll leave you guys with this, and this is probably the most important point to drive home. This is exactly why the rich get richer even when they don’t try. So for someone to go from $1 to a million dollars in net wealth, it can take you an entire lifetime, all of your labor, all of your savings, all of your discipline investing, it can take you an entire lifetime, but for someone that has $10 million in net wealth to make that same million can be just one year of sitting back in a couch eating potato chips, and being invested in a passive index fund, 10 million plus 10% equals 11 million.
So you gotta get started early. Now is the time, you know, Own Your future is a great slogan that Flippa put on for this event. Investing in your financial future is one aspect, and of course, you know all the other things that all the other guests were talking about are extremely important as well. I will implore you if you’re not investing take it seriously, feel free to shoot me e-mails, and I’ll standby for some questions. On this frame I also have some book recommendations. This one’s really good, “Simple Path to Wealth”. I mean, this one actually is basically 280 pages just saying all you need in your life is one index fund. I’m not necessarily a total advocate of that, but makes a very good point there. And on “Invest Like a Boss” we have 150 episodes, we’ve had Blake on and we’ve had James Altucher who’s also on the panel here on the show, and a lot of other great guests that help you learn how to do it yourself.
Amazing, it’s really, it’s really great stuff, Sam, and I love it because I think there’s such a swing towards these risky investments these days. People on Reddit, Wall Street, bets, things like that who are just trying to make a million dollars off of $10 within a week. So it’s interesting to see how much money you can make by actually being a traditional investor, and just being smart with your money.
On that was one of the more interesting questions I think we got here is super simple from Kimberly. She just saying she started stocks for underage boys which I’m sure is a super common thing, people trying to save some money for their kids for college, for their life. Do you have any advice on you know, is it the same funds or something different if you’re looking at, you know, starting investing for a five year older or what would you look at?
Yeah, absolutely. So actually, depending on where she is, you can start Roth IRAs for an infant. There is, you have to get that money attributed as earned income. So you can’t just start a Roth IRA and say, “Here, I’m just gonna give my kid $5,000 of funding.” But there’s all different types of ways to make them, you know, earned income, right? So my sister has like a kid and what I say is, they have a business, take some photos of my niece, make that niece a model for your business, put it on an advertisement, pay them for that $4,000 for their work, and then put that money into a Roth IRA. If you start, say, with a five year old, we start a Roth IRA which is basically tax free retirement savings. It grows tax free, you pull it out tax free once they’re retired. If you can get 5,000, 10,000, $20,000 into that fund in the years to come there’s almost no way that that doesn’t become a lot of money, I’m talking over a million dollars by the time that kids have retirement age. So again, I would keep it simple, go into a couple, maybe one or two index funds, add to it every year if you can, and there’s basically three things that drive the market higher over time; there is capitalism, there is growing population, and there is labor becoming increasingly efficient, internet, tractors, et cetera. As long as those three things continue the stock market inevitably is gonna go higher unless there’s some cataclysmic event. Population is set to grow to 2050, I think capitalism probably will be around, and I think the internet is making things maybe too efficient in the world. So you know, I think the stock market goes higher in the next 20, 40 years without a doubt, and if you start investing now you’re gonna do well.
Yeah, that’s a good point, I mean, we actually went through a bit of a cataclysmic event earlier this year yet, two months later, the stock market seems to be back and rising.
I hope you were buying in the deep, Ben.
I wish I was buying more, but anybody who saw that, who saw that coming has just done quite well.
That’s where the get rich quick comes from. Well, thank you, we’re unfortunately out of time. There are a few good questions here. So I will bug you behind the scenes, and hopefully we can get some more information from you.
Yeah, I’d mind.
But thank you so much for sharing, Sam. That was fantastic.
Yeah, thanks guys, I appreciate it.